【書き起こし】 堀江貴文(ホリエモン) x 家入一真 対談を書き起こそうとした

@tanisukeです。
先日ニコ生で放送された堀江貴文(ホリエモン) x 家入一真 の対談イベントを書き起こそうと思って書いてたんですけど。
すでに書き起こしがあってがっかりしました。
折角なので書いた分だけのせておきますわ。

堀江・家入

対談内容

家入:炎上の、家入です

堀江:全く関係なかったんですけど、炎上が飛び火してる堀江です。
全然しらないんですけど、あの人とう言うひとなんですか?

家入:関西の方に住む、デザイナーですね。。

堀江:僕が元々ファルコンっていうエゴサーチアプリがあって、エゴサーチしてたら出てきたんですよ。僕が”ロケット事業を金儲けのためにやってる”って。何言ってんたコイツと思って、僕、すぐ反応しちゃうんで。結構カチンときました。

家入:カチンときてましたねー

堀江:そうそう。こういう誤解を放置しておくと、彼のフォロワーとかから、テレビとかにも飛び火して嘘の情報が広まることがある。全く嘘の情報が広まる事はよくある。それをとにかく訂正したくて書いたらなぜか家入くん(I氏)との”デザイン料未払い問題”がどうのこうのっていきなり言い出して、何も知らないぞって。

家入:ぶっちゃけて言うと、彼のことは元々デザイナーとして憧れていて。

堀江:あ、(家入さんが)デザイナーだったんだ?

家入:そうそう。

堀江:芸大を受験しようとして失敗したんだっけ?

家入:いえ、受験してないです。結局逃げたんで。もう何もしてないです。

堀江:俺、刑務所の中で結構(家入さんの本を)読んでたんですよ。僕の本にも、家入君の本が書評として載ってます。

家入:僕結局一回も面会いってないのに、本だけ送りつけて。。笑

堀江:軽く、パラパラ読めるんで、始めて読んだんです。俺がでてくる部分だけ前は読んでた。でも刑務所で全部読んだんです。だから(家入さんのこと)全部知ってるんですよ。

家入:どうもどうも。ありがとうございます。

堀江:なんで久留米市にいたんだろう?僕矢部だから。奥さんの実家?

家入:そう。別居してる嫁の実家が矢部の近くなんですよね。

堀江:車で10分くらい。

家入:そうそう。あ、(話を戻して)彼を友人に紹介してもらったんですよ。それで僕リバティーっていうチームやってるんで、ロゴちょっとやってくださいよ!って。そしたら「いいよいいよー」って。んで、「いえーい」みたいな感じで作ってもらたんです。けど、一度もロゴ使ってないんですよ。

堀江:なんで使わなかったの?

家入:最終的にちょっと違った。笑
実際問題、あとで請求書がやってきて、僕、払ってないんですよね。。

堀江:結構な値段だったよね?50万くらい?

家入:まあ、そういうもんなんですかねえ。。

堀江:すごいよねえ!俺デザイン料に50万なんて払ったことないんだけど。

家入:いやいやー。でも僕払うとか勢いで言ってたと思うんで。。

堀江:今だってロゴとかだってさ、ネットで頼んだら5000円とか1万円でやってくれるよね?ルーマニア人とかがさ。笑

家入:クラウドソーシングとかですね。まあ、最近はクラウドソーシングとか使ってますけども。

堀江:当時は、ノリで?

家入:当時は、ちょっとノリで。。だから、僕が悪いんですよね。

堀江:そうだとおもうよ!笑 払うって言ったのに、悪いと思う。笑

家入:でも彼がいきなり堀江さんに絡みはじめて、「金払え」とか言ってて、そこで気づいたんです。なんか堀江さんに請求してるこの人!って。でもここで僕が絡みに行くとめんどくさいから放っておこうかなって。
「堀江さん払ってくれないっかな」って笑

堀江:なんでだよ!笑そもそもなんで俺が払わなきゃいけないんだよ。

家入:最終的にあのひと、メールのやりとりとかも全部だされちゃて。超、小っ恥ずかしいです。

堀江:俺全然関係ないから!俺がなんか一方的に悪口いわれて、言い返したら知り合いの知り合い(家入さん)の金払えって。なんだそれみたいな。

家入:堀江さんは、悪くない!笑

堀江:それが分かってくれればいいんですけどー。

家入:すみませんでした。なんか。

堀江:まあ、そういうことなんで。で、いまお金集めてるんだって?

家入:はい、それでまた悪乗りしちゃって彼に払うお金をクラウドファインディング的に集めようっていう意味のわからないことはじめちゃったんですよ。これは、笑いに持っていかないと駄目だなって思ったんです。

堀江:あつまってんの?

家入:1日で12万くらいあつまって、「オリャ!」って振り込んだんです。そしたら、そうやって集める行為を「宗教的だ!」とか「信者ビジネスか!」とか叩かれて。

堀江:そこに関しては絡んできたの?

家入:そうやって集めた金を振込むなとは言われました。

堀江:ちょっとまけてあげればいいのに、だって金ないでしょ?

家入:ないんですよ。本にも書いてあるんです。金無いって。堀江さん金あるんですか?

堀江:金ですか?あるってどのくらいが?

家入:触れて良いのかな?笑

堀江:金あるんですか?って言われると困るんですよ。さっきも朝日新聞のひとから取材受けてて、六本木ヒルズ10周年なんでたぶん僕の事悪く書こうと思っていて。前に朝日新聞の社内講演みたいなやつに呼ばれて、お車代程度のギャラで。
それで僕言ったんですよ。「お手柔らかにお願いします」って。逮捕される半年くらい前に。
でも全然手加減してくれないの笑。ガッツンガッツンきてましたからねえー。今日もかなりの請求投げといたんですけども。

最近はTwitterがあるんで、Twitterで「俺はこんなこと言ってない」っていったらみんなに広まりますからそういった意味ではいいんですけど。俺、「金でなんでも買える」って言ったことにされているじゃないですか。アレを言ったの朝日新聞ですからね。

家入:新聞って事前に原稿チェックとかないんですね

堀江:ないんですよ!だから何書かれてるか怖いんですよ。あともう一つは僕の書籍「稼ぐが勝ち
」で言われた「女は金で買える」って書いたのもライターさんですから。僕が言いたかったのは女性を口説くのは童貞の高校生にとっては大変な事なんですよ。けども自分がお金を稼ぐプロセスで自信を付ければそういった事も出来るようになりますよーって言ったかっただけ。

それが、「女は金で買える」ってライターさんが書いちゃって。まあいいやって思っていたら、やっぱり逮捕された後フジテレビさんとかで叩かれた。

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